Before I took the turn in my life into Christian ministry as a pastor and seminary educator, I was an aerospace engineer. I worked on the space shuttle briefly as an intern as a senior in college (back before they built it). I did most of my work on missile defense systems and especially the F-16 jet fighter. I have a largely intellectual approach to my faith and have never relinquished my love for scientific method and the field of the sciences in particular. Early on in my Christian life I became convinced of the young earth approach to harmonizing the Bible and so-called scientific discoveries and teachings. I have always believed that I can do that with a clear conscience and without surrendering my mind and rational thought.
While I was a seminary student at Liberty Baptist Seminary in the late 1970s, I had a conversation with Dr. Lane Lester, who had come to teach at Liberty Baptist College (now Liberty University) about the problem of God’s deception. If God made the universe with apparent age (stretched out the light rays, etc.), then the things that we discover through our telescopes right now bring a dilemma to our attention. The mechanics of the universe (speed of light, etc.) point to what we are seeing as having happened billions of years ago. The young earth position says that what we are seeing did not exist billions of years ago since the earth is only 6000 to 10,000 years old. Thus, God actually is deceiving us by the way that he designed things and perhaps the deception is ongoing. Dr. Lester raised this question to me. I am not sure that I had ever thought about it seriously before that time. My initial thought was that God did not have to reveal all of his “mechanics” to us naturally. He has communicated to us in other ways of special revelation. If we accept the other ways God is communcating to us, we should not have a problem of God creating the universe with apparent age.
I recently read through the two books — Starlight and Time: Solving the Puzzle of Distant Starlight in a Young Universe by Russell Humphreys (1994) and Starlight, Time, and the New Physics by John Hartnett (2007). Both of these men are trying to use what we know about physics and astronomy to present a case for how to solve the dilemma mentioned above. It seems to me that they consider that to be a true dilemma. However, I am not yet convinced that there is a “deception dilemma” for the apparent age view even if their cosmology is correct. I plan on doing some more thinking about this issue as I prepare to teach the Ph.D. class on Bible and Science issues at our seminary next summer.
#1 by Lance on June 20, 2011 - 8:06 PM
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Just happened to see this as I was shutting down for the night. Thoughtful consideration! I think I remeber from an apolgetics class I took about ten years ago that one should always have the person on the other side of the fence state their basis, You make them defend their position in order to develop your response.
Thier postion appears to be one of ignorance God. I know that was my problem. I know what happens when we get into discussions with certain believers and we are blind sided by a postion. I got that last year when I simple laid out the 24 hour day used in the creation.
How to respond in “love” is the tough part. I have a hard time believing people are as stupid as I use to be.
I think that in today’s culture ignorance is bliss, until we are pressed. I know two people who would challege me on the young creation date and one would know enought to pull the expanding universe arguement.
I’m sticking to my God thing for now.
I’ll check in when I get back on line next week. Maybe!
#2 by Metal Phil on July 30, 2011 - 10:50 AM
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Yes, I too have yet to discover why this is an issue. I think it is only because people make it one. I mean, we’re presented with that from the Scriptures.
Anyway, I guess I’ve just never understood this objection.
In Christ’s Love,
-Phil
#3 by Gary Hinman on September 5, 2011 - 7:19 PM
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Should it be harder to accept space created with age
then it is to accept that God started with trees not seeds?
#4 by Mark on September 22, 2011 - 1:47 PM
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“I am not yet convinced that there is a “deception dilemma” for the apparent age view even if their cosmology is correct – it seems to me that apparent age is absolutely necessary in creationism. The text speaks of trees being created, not seeds. It speaks of birds, not eggs. Adam was able to talk and to name all the animals apparently on his first day of existence. It speaks of stars apparently being visible from earth on the day they were created. All this REQUIRES apparent age. To then suggest that other facets of creation are NOT created with “apparent age” – that would be deceptive! Consistency REQUIRES apparent age!